Blackjack Rummy Side Bet Odds

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Most casinos in Costa Rica have no blackjack at all, claiming it is illegal. Instead, they offer a blackjack-based game called Rummy. You can find the rules on my Odds site. Before you get your hopes up about all the good rules, especially early surrender, I think they don't offset the no 3-2. Jul 20, 2019 Blackjack Side Bets Introduction. I have seen so many blackjack games side bets that I created individual pages for each of them. Here is the list. 21+3; Any Pair — See Pair Square. Blazing 7's; 21 Magic: Please see Buffalo Blackjack; Bet the Bust; Bet the Set — See Pair Square. Bet the Set — Progressive; Blackjack Match; Block. The bad: basic blackjack game is the best payout game can be found in casinos. Some game offer house edge lower than 0.3%!!! That’s not the case with side bets, where the house edge usually goes from 3% and up to even 10-15%. If your main goal is to get the best odds possible on every hand, then this is a bet to avoid. Depending on the pay table being used, the house edge on this bet tends to be somewhere between 2% and 8%, which is much higher than in blackjack itself. Classic live blackjack seats 7 players and is streamed in full-screen HD. The best players have a number of options as well including Choose Ahead and Back Bet. The dealer hits on soft 17 and stands on hard 17. Players can double down even after splitting. Pairs and Rummy are two side bets.

Wizard
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I am confused by this rule variant : Unsuited 7-7-7 pays 3 to 1 bonus only.


Sorry for the confusion. I meant to say that a suited 6-7-8 pays 3 to 1. However, I decided to remove mention of it from the list. As far as I know, only the Marriot in Jaco applies that rule, and they also apply every other unfavorable rule variant.
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Other questions: If you double and make a rummy hand, do you get paid on both bets? (ie, Double down on 5-5 and get another 5, or double 5-6 get a 4 or 7 )


Good question, which I didn't think to ask while there. I would assume the bonus applies to the original bet only.

Can you double the A-10 to get a 3 card 21? If not, can you hit it for a 3 card 21?


Yes. When you get A-10 the dealer will wait on you to make a decision. I see no up-side to hitting A-10.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
Hunterhill

Sorry for the confusion. I meant to say that a suited 6-7-8 pays 3 to 1. However, I decided to remove mention of it from the list. As far as I know, only the Marriot in Jaco applies that rule, and they also apply every other unfavorable rule variant.
Good question, which I didn't think to ask while there. I would assume the bonus applies to the original bet only.
Yes. When you get A-10 the dealer will wait on you to make a decision. I see no up-side to hitting A-10.


When I was there 15 years ago the bonus was paid on the doubled amount,if that is still true,it might be correct to double 6,6 against 2 or 3 and 4,4 against 2thru 6 but am not sure.
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Wizard
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When I was there 15 years ago the bonus was paid on the doubled amount,if that is still true,it might be correct to double 6,6 against 2 or 3 and 4,4 against 2thru 6 but am not sure.


Damn. My hunch is that you still wouldn't double on 6-6 ever, but this would increase the EV when doubling 5-5. I know of a couple people in CR I can ask to ask about it.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
CrystalMath


Yes. When you get A-10 the dealer will wait on you to make a decision. I see no up-side to hitting A-10.


The only time I can think this might make sense is if you have a suited AK or AQ and shooting for the remaining card to a straight flush. You probably wouldn't do this all the time, but maybe against a 5 or 6?
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CrystalMath
If you get a 678 or 777, you get paid the bonus immediately. Is your turn over now, or do you continue to play against the dealer?
edit: What about an 888? Do you get paid the bonus and then lose your original bet because you busted?
Wizard
Administrator

If you get a 678 or 777, you get paid the bonus immediately. Is your turn over now, or do you continue to play against the dealer?


Blackjack Rummy Side Bet Odds Against

You continue to play against the dealer.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
odiousgambit

Most casinos in Costa Rica have no blackjack at all, claiming it is illegal. Instead, they offer a blackjack-based game called Rummy.


Give them credit now, you always said you were OK with this stuff as long as they don't call it Blackjack.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
Hunterhill
Just looked over my notes.Some casinos paid 4 to 1 on 3 of a kind if the hand busted ie... 888 999,also 6,7,8 is paid 3 to 1 or 5 to1 if suited. This was 15 years ago so it very well could have changed. I played in 9 casinos while I was there.Some of the casinos would deal blackjack if enough players wanted to play that instead of Rommy. In one very small casino The cage did not have enough money to pay us when we cashed out so they took the drop boxes off of the tables to get the rest of the money.
Wizard
Administrator

Give them credit now, you always said you were OK with this stuff as long as they don't call it Blackjack.


I do. In my opinion only games that pay 3-2 on a blackjack are entitled to be called blackjack.
Quote: Hunterhill

Just looked over my notes.Some casinos paid 4 to 1 on 3 of a kind if the hand busted ie... 888 999,also 6,7,8 is paid 3 to 1 or 5 to1 if suited. This was 15 years ago so it very well could have changed. I played in 9 casinos while I was there.Some of the casinos would deal blackjack if enough players wanted to play that instead of Rommy. In one very small casino The cage did not have enough money to pay us when we cashed out so they took the drop boxes off of the tables to get the rest of the money.


I never saw a 4 to 1 bonus for anything. What you see on my site is what I saw last week. I hope paigowdan manages to find this thread, as I think he has been to CR fairly recently. At the Cocal Casino in Jaco (quite a place) they didn't have enough chips in the rack to pay me when I wanted to leave so wrote a voucher for me to take to the cage.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
CrystalMath

The only time I can think this might make sense is if you have a suited AK or AQ and shooting for the remaining card to a straight flush. You probably wouldn't do this all the time, but maybe against a 5 or 6?


I've calculated this, and you would never hit an A/10.
I heart Crystal Math.
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Introduction

Blackjack Rummy Side Bet Odds Poker

Sportsbook

As the name implies, this is a blackjack side bet with a progressive jackpot. For an optional $1, the blackjack player may win $3 to the progressive jackpot, which starts at $25,000. I saw this side bet at the New York New York casino, where they had three tables tied into the same progressive.

Rules

Just like in Caribbean Stud, the player puts the $1 for the Progressive side bet in a slot. Before dealing a new hand, the dealer presses a button, the dollars vanish, and a light designates who made the bet. The following table shows what each winning hand pays, the probability (based on the dealer peeking for blackjack), and the contribution to the return.

On July 30, 2001, the jackpot meter was at $35,537.36. At this time, I was told they recently put it in place and nobody had hit the jackpot yet. On August 11 the meter had risen to $37,746.28.

The following table shows the return based on a meter of $35,537.36, the amount the last time I observed it.

Progressive Blackjack

HandPermutationsProbabilityPaysReturn
4 red/black aces237600.00000335537.360.090844
4 aces2312640.00002520000.049763
3 suited aces1382400.00001510000.014873
3 non-suited aces33592320.0003612000.072283
2 Suited aces106790400.001149500.057447
2 non-suited aces384445440.004136150.062043
1 ace6621004800.07123430.213703
No aces85797187200.92307700
Total9294695280100.560955

The above table shows an expected return of 56.10% per dollar bet, or a house edge of 43.90%. The general formula for the return is 47.01%, plus 2.56% for each $10,000 in the meter. To have no house edge, the meter would need to reach $207,287.85. Also note there are no basic strategy deviations for this side bet. If the player gets two aces, then he should split anyway, which guarantees two more cards.

It is unclear to me what events cause the meter to go up and down. Sometimes the meter goes up by 28 cents for each $1 bet made. According to the Mikohn's web site, the house edge is 22%. If this is the case, then the meter contribution rate is 24.60%. Mikohn also mentions that part of each dollar goes to a higher reseed of the next jackpot. So 24.60% would be divided between the current meter and the next one. Based on this contribution rate, the average jackpot when won would be $121,225.86.

Here is another version that has been seen at Internet casinos using Cryptologic software. The game uses eight decks of cards.

Progressive Blackjack — Cryptologic Version

HandPaysPermutationsProbabilityReturn
Four suited acesJackpot67200.00000023?
Three suited aces25005160960.000017480.043710
Four aces unsuited15008563200.000029010.043515
Three aces unsuited250109117440.000369660.092415
Two suited aces100355246080.001203480.120348
Two aces251217986560.004126200.103155
All other0293487183360.994253940.000000
Total295183324801.000000000.403142 + ?

Blackjack Side Bet

Based on a $1 bet, this bet becomes break-even at $2,621,763.29. The general formula for the return is 0.403142 + jackpot/4,392,609.

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BetWritten by: Michael Shackleford